Phone-free bars and restaurants on the rise across the U.S.

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Brajeshwar

3 hours ago


39 comments

wolvoleo 41 minutes ago

Hmm I love phone free nightclubs (or rather camera free, they tape off the cameras). Like techno clubs.

Not so much of a fan of this in bars and restaurants, sometimes you need to stay in touch with friends who are still arriving etc. Or often they change their mind "this place is cool, why don't you come to us instead of us coming to you?". But ok plenty of places to choose from.

  • jermaustin1 20 minutes ago

    > sometimes you need to stay in touch with friends who are still arriving etc.

    Do we need to? We are way too communicative now days. Back before everyone had cell phones, you said on Monday to friends and/or co-workers, "Let's get drinks on Friday at 7pm at BarClub" - Everyone put it in their diary, and on Friday at 6:55-7:30, people showed up where they were supposed to.

    We now have this anxiety around not being in constant contact with people, when just a couple decades ago, we wouldn't talk to a person for days/weeks at a time, but still manage to get together without (m)any issues.

    • wolvoleo 4 minutes ago

      It is what it is. Anyway I have great respect for places that tape off cameras because it makes others feel safe. Because they know they won't be photographed without consent.

      But being on your mobile somewhere is more of a "you do you" thing for me. I'm not always on my phone, when I go out I don't go near it normally but getting a quick message is no problem IMO. For example when plans change. When others are on phones around me I don't find that very annoying, there's much more annoying behaviour.

    • wussboy 15 minutes ago

      Humans used to get on ships and sail away, perhaps never to be heard from again. We can absolutely survive several minutes of confusion around eating arrangements. "Text me when you get there." Let's all just calm down and live with a little uncertainty

      • wolvoleo 4 minutes ago

        Go for it but don't force it on me.

anonymousiam an hour ago

There's a breakfast spot that I visit sometimes, with a sign on the wall that reads; "We do not have 'WiFi' -- Talk to each other -- Pretend it's 1995"

  • Teever an hour ago

    I totally support the phone-free bar and restaurant experience and encouraging people to socialize verbally instead of online but the thing is that I like to eat breakfast alone.

    It's a meditative process to me. There's nothing better than sitting in a greasy spoon looking out at a rainy day eating bacon and hashbrowns while sipping coffee and reading the newspaper. Just watching the world and gthe people go by while flipping and folding the pages of a large newspaper. That's bliss.

    Now that newspapers aren't really a thing anymore I like to read the news on my phone, or a paper about a topic that interests me.

    It's good to promote socializing as long as it doesn't come at the expensive at reflective processes.

    • heeton 16 minutes ago

      > I totally support the phone-free bar and restaurant experience

      If you then expect an exemption because your phone use is different then I challenge that you don’t actually support the experience.

      If you want to read news in a phone-free environment: bring a newspaper, a kindle, etc.

    • senko an hour ago

      > It's a meditative process to me. [...] I like to read the news on my phone.

      I don't think reading news, especially on the phone, is meditative.

      With paper you might pause & reflect while turning a page, with phone even that is lost.

      > Just watching the world and the people go by while

      Why not do that without looking at the phone?

      • Teever 40 minutes ago
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        I knew someone was going to pull on that little thread.

        So let's use a dictionary definition: meditative -- of, involving, or absorbed in meditation or considered thought.

        In that context I have for decades now enjoyed sipping coffee, reading the news, and watching peope go by, smiling at the waitress, and considering how it all fits together. The cream in my cup, the man crossing the street, the price of tea in China -- it's all connected. Sometimes do this without a phone or a newspaper or a book. Sometimes I don't.

        This is just how I like to spend my Sunday breakfast. Alone. Not talking to people. Watching them and the world.

        • senko 33 minutes ago

          Beautifully said, thank you.

          I'm glad I pulled on that thread :)

Acrobatic_Road 22 minutes ago

Yes! Phones should be treated like smoking.

  • wussboy 14 minutes ago

    I like this idea. You can use your phone but you have to go outside to do it.

quchen an hour ago

There are a couple of communities that have almost no phone presence. Certain kinds of music festivals are an example, and it's really quite nice not having to worry about being filmed.

SilverElfin 2 hours ago

Great. It would be nice to normalize that as a feature. A cafe near me sort of has this by simply not offering WiFi and having a sign about it, and it works - there are people having conversations with their kids and with friends and with strangers there, while all other cafes seem to be mostly people on their phones and iPads (especially kids) and laptops. Also we need a total ban on meta glasses and other similar surveillance devices.

gosub100 an hour ago

You could enforce this by making a farday cage out of the building. I looked into this for an irrational (5G is government poison) family member. I wasn't going to debate how RF works, just buy some points by helping her indulge her fantasy. But actual RF blocking copper mesh material is very expensive. I wonder if this could be done via wallpaper and printing using a conductive ink printed on the same pattern?

  • silisili 7 minutes ago

    You really don't need a full on faraday cage. Signals in the phone frequency range are pretty poor at penetration, especially brick or concrete. I once lived in a house with metal lath and plaster walls, and I had to leave the office door open to even get wifi in there.

    Perhaps some well placed metallic material on or near the windows would suffice?

  • gruez 18 minutes ago

    >I wonder if this could be done via wallpaper and printing using a conductive ink printed on the same pattern?

    AFAIK they have to be grounded so it'll be a massive pain to install, even if you can get it printed.

    • kibwen 4 minutes ago

      Last I checked there was no consensus on whether or not a Faraday cage needed to be grounded to function properly, which seemed surprising.

  • madaxe_again an hour ago

    Just run a jammer - much easier and just as illegal - although if you use a busted microwave from the 80s it gives you good plausible deniability.

    • gruez 20 minutes ago

      >although if you use a busted microwave from the 80s it gives you good plausible deniability.

      Not every radio runs off 2.4G, the frequency that microwaves would affect. Even for wifi there's 5ghz and 6ghz bands. For cellphones there are far more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands

    • wikibob 44 minutes ago

      Faraday cages are passive and not illegal. Jamming is.

  • cyanydeez 21 minutes ago

    SImilar, except their belief is part of a illness that's some kind of dementia. It went further into all kinds of radiations, including things that are meaningless, like the 911 frequency.

    It degraded slowly over a decade. It's "stabilized" but just a bunch of word salad.

webdoodle 39 minutes ago

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  • logicchains 35 minutes ago

    Not everybody has such a troubled personality that having the ability right at their fingertips to access all the world's information and communicate with anyone in the world somehow causes them problems, maybe you should touch grass.

    • Acrobatic_Road 18 minutes ago

      No, he's right. Smartphones are a socio-demographic catastrophe. The fact that they exasperate mental illnesses is just a detail.

throw949449 an hour ago

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  • amazingamazing an hour ago

    the vast majority of restaurants are already dog-free. which cities are you in where this is a problem? in Manhattan for instance basically all of them prohibit dogs under very particular circumstances like there's an outdoor area.

    • throw949449 an hour ago

      Not my experience, everyone has assistance dog and ban does not apply to them.

      • amazingamazing an hour ago
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        so you're in the USA and want service dogs to be prohibited? again, where is this an issue? most people do not have service dogs...

        • antonymoose 40 minutes ago

          I constantly see people with obviously fake service dogs abusing the service dog system in the US and have for the last decade. I see them in bars, airports, and in the grocery store riding in the carts even!

          I love my dogs and happily patronize dog-friendly bars with them, but the abuse is a moral plague and health hazard even.

        • throw949449 an hour ago
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          I want refound, if the establishement does not follow basic hygiene rules for serving food!

          • kevin_thibedeau 42 minutes ago
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            Actual service dogs are uncommon. Lots of emotional support proxy children out there but they have no business around food service.

            • lagniappe 34 minutes ago

              Youre getting baited by a green name, Boudreaux

  • ghaff an hour ago

    Don’t come to many countries in Europe then.

  • gremlinunderway 32 minutes ago

    Talk about a complete non-issue. The amount that this actually happens beyond the anecdotes of a few reactionary people listening to to many JRE podcasts is near zero.

    Besides, most places are dog-free. However, the ADA and other supporting legislation accommodates people with disabilities so this means that sometimes there's a balancing act between you enjoying a dog free experience (99% of the time) and then 1% of the time someone might have a dog with them that can detect low blood sugar for diabetes or stroke. Frankly, even if this is abused, just enabling people to have this accommodation without demanding it or disclosing medical information to strangers is worth it.

    Now I'm guessing you're one of these savant medical geniuses with super powers because you can "just tell by looking at em" to determine if they're faking it. With such powers I'd recommend medical school because those powers of diagnoses are being wasted for being a pathetic reactionary who can't stand anyone different than them.